Yesterday we were discussing Chango, an African orisha ,invoking it and our African history. As a Christian I feel its important to have knowledge of these spirits least we happen across one of them..Knowledge is power and knowing where you cant get where you are going if you dont know your beginnings .
WHO IS OGUN
Gu” (Ogun): The God of Iron
Priest of “Gu” (Ogun). Lome, Togo, West Africa
Over the centuries, the inter-cultural exhanges between the Vodoun cultures of West Africa, and the Yoruba Ifa’Orisha tradition is well documented. While the Yoruba have assimilated West African Vodoun Spirits such as Nana Bu’ku , Babaluaiye, Osumare, and several others, into their Orisha pantheon, the Dahomean and other West African Vodoun cultures have incorporated the Yoruba Orisha of Ogun known as Gu into theirs. Due, more to lack of time, and the abundance of written material already available on the Yoruba tradition, I offer here an excellent article suitable for the uninitiated public, written on Ogun by Awo Fa’lokun Fatunmbi.
If you read the traditional religious literature of Africa closely you will discover that there is a very ancient, wide spread and cross cultural reverence for the Spirit of Iron. In Yoruba, this Spirit is called Ogun, north of Nigeria you will sometimes find the Spirit of Iron called Ogu, and other similar sounding spiritual names. Throughout west Africa there is a tradition of making the profession of blacksmith a sacred vocation. There is some indication that these trade skills represent a cross cultural interaction that stretches between the middle east through Africa and across the ocean to South America. I am refering to interaction that clearly predates the voyage by Columbus.
If we take the Creation Myth of Ifá, Obatala climbs down the chain from Heaven to Earth. In my belief, the chain is symbolic of the double helix which is the form found within genes used to store DNA. The journey from Heaven to Earth is a reference to the emergence of hidden or latent potential into manifest reality. When you are in the womb you would have invisible potential as a child, and after you are born that potential becomes manifest. Ifa is very clear that the womb is the passageway between heaven and earth, it is the doorway that allows for reincarnation or atunwa.
In mythological language, the manifestation of any hidden, or latent potential is described symbolically by Ifá as the journey from Heaven to Earth. More correctly it is the journey from Ikole Orun to Ikole Aiye. “Ikole Orun” means “Greeting the House of the Invisible Realm.” “Ikole Aiye” means “Greeting the House of the Earth.” When Yorubas are speaking of aiye they are speaking of the crust around the surface of the Earth, not the whole Earth. The word for the entire Earth is “Onile.” So aiye becomes the meeting place between the visible and the invisible dimensions.
Be clear that the Ifá concept of Heaven is much closer to what physics calls the fifth dimension. It is something that exists all around us. It is easier to understand as a different vibration of light. The spectrum of light is very long, and as humans we can only see a small band of light in the middle of the total range of frequencies. If you were able to do something that would allow you to see the full spectrum of light, then you would see the invisible dimension.
All the Ifá references to “ala” or “white cloth” are speaking of the full spectrum of light. We are able to see a little bit in the middle. As we become more spiritually illuminated our vision of light increases. Those who are able to see the invisible dimension say that it is a reality that is co-existent with us. When you see it, you can interact with it in a very direct way.
Because of the difficulty in translation, it has not been clear to the anthropologists what is meant by Orun. If you go to Africa and the elders start talking about entering Orun and coming back, you get a sense that they are talking about something very real and very tangible. In some places in Africa there are gateways into the fifth dimension where people walk through the portal and disappear from sight, then reappear through the same opening. I have not experienced this, but it is certainly part of the tradition. There are doorways into different visual dimensions. Western culture tends to be a little myopic about those possibilities.
Back to the Creation myth, Obatala came from Heaven to Earth down the chain with a seashell, a guenia hen, sand and ikin. He poured the sand on the waters, then he dropped the hen on the earth. The chicken started scratching the sand and made the first land mass. This land is called Ile Ife. The words “Ile Ife” means “spreading Earth.” It is a reference to the first land mass and it is the name of the sacred city of Ifá which is currently in Osun State in Nigeria.
Obatala tried to get life organized and failed because his tools were too weak. Ogun came from Heaven to Earth with the secret of the mystery of Iron and was able to create cities in the Jungle. But the Ifá myth also says that Ogun’s methodology was not fully effective. As a result, Orunmila came to Earth to correct the mistakes made by Ogun. I believe that this means that he gave guidance on issues of ethical behavior and moral conduct.
When you say that Obatala came from Heaven to Earth, you are talking about the manifestation of the potential of the Earth to transform light into matter and form our ecological environment. Then you have the next step of Ogun who represents the development of metal technology. But that is a fairly recent development. For a myth to refer to something so recent is unusual. So we look at the idea of iron from a earlier perspective.
The word Ogun is difficult to translate into English, but we get a big clue from the word oogun. The letter O in Yoruba is used to indicate owner, or one who possess something. The letter O is used to suggest that someone, or some Spiritual Force has mastered a particular form of wisdom. The word “oogun” means “medicine.” So in a sense the word for medicine is “owner of ogun.” I mean medicine as both physical and spiritual transformation.
It is hard to say if I’m right about this, but we can look at medicine as something that attacks illness, or as something that restores vitality. In a sense you have ogun as the suffix of oogun, meaning “the source of vitality” or “the source of aliveness.” In my judgement this gives us an indication that Ogun is a linguistic reference to the will to survive. You could also say survival of that which asserts its own will to make a place for itself in the world. English does not have a single word that expresses this idea. But it is a commonly understood concept in Ifá that is associated with the word Ogun.
There is also an element of competition in the word Ogun. In nature there is competition for the available resources. To become successful in the survival process, vitality and assertiveness are required. If we take that idea and see how it relates to the concept of medicine we can get some sense of the origin of the words in metaphysical principle.
We have in the metaphysical concept of Ogun the idea of survival through assertive and aggressive action that is directed towards maintaining survival. To put that in contemporary language we are talking about male testosterone. That and other things. We have what I would call the dynamic, assertive, aggressive, expansive quality in Nature Itself which is expressed by the Spirit of Ogun. This particular idea predates by many years the association of Ogun with the technology of molding iron.
When we think about Ogun, we think about blacksmiths and tool makers. This is limiting because it suggests that some person figured out how to make use of iron technology and now we are deifying that process. If we do this, we are missing the earlier manifestation of Ogun as a Force in Nature. So I call Ogun the “Spirit of Iron,” but even this translation is limited, because Ogun is the Spirit who is honored by the tool makers and not the methodology of tool making itself.
The historical genesis of the human relationship to Ogun may have emerged out of the tradition of men being hunters and women being time keepers. This is a separation of gender that was probably established for practical reasons. Women on their cycle leave a scent that is easily picked up by animals. At the same time the cycle becomes a built in clock. These two social functions became separated by gender as a matter of practical convenience. The point is that there is no indication in this that men are better than women. There is simply an indication of physical resources making certain tasks easier to accomplish.
We get a clue about the genesis of the understanding of Ogun by looking at the survival of the symbolism of Ogun. In Ogun’s pot we have an iron cauldron with three legs, wrapped with a chain and spikes inside. There is usually a knife and maybe some tools in the pot. So we look at that and think what does it represent? With the pot, we have the symbolism of the womb. And we also have the idea of three legs. Three is symbolic number of Mother Earth. Ifá says that whenever two Awo meet, three are always present, the third being the Earth Herself. Three symbolizes the relationship to the Earth itself. This gives us the symbol of the womb supported by the symbol for the Earth.
We’ve got the chain which we have already spoken about as the symbol of the link between Heaven and Earth. At times there is a piece of red cloth around the pot. In addition we have the iron spikes. There is some scientific indication that the rust on the iron deposits at the bottom of the ocean created bacteria which became the source of the first single cell life forms on Earth. This would be the beginning of evolution. It may not have been iron that caused this phenomena, but it was some type of mineral, that is now symbolized by the iron spikes.
In the pot we have the symbol for sperm in a womb. I don’t think I need to explain what that means. Now the interesting thing is that the female component of Ogun is diminished in the West. What we use to consecrate an Ogun pot is irosun. The irosun is red powder from the camwood tree. In Yoruba the word “irosun” is sometimes used to refer to menstrual blood. If you are putting red camwood powder on the Ogun pot you are talking about the primal procreative drive for survival.
Historically this urge led to the development of hunting, and to the development of marking time. The value of marking time was the ability to anticipate the shift in the seasons and to develop adequate protection for winter, and eventually led to the ability to plant crops. We are talking about primal motivational forces in the development of human consciousness.
In the Creation Myth, Ogun’s initial effort is saved through the efforts of Orunmila. I believe that this is a historical memory of the fact that unchecked procreative, aggressive behavior is not the optimal principle for social organization. We have the idea of ethical judgements tempering the pure unbridled aggressive nature of Ogun as a Spiritual Force.
What I want to stress, as someone who is a son of Ogun, is that the story about Orunmila’s relationship with Ogun does not mean that Ogun is “evil,” it doesn’t make Ogun “bad,” it doesn’t make Ogun the “Devil,” it doesn’t make Ogun a “Blood sucking warrior.” It does make Ogun part of a bigger picture, in which the issue of balance becomes important. Every aspect of the wheel must play its part fully.
So where Ogun’s power, or ase as we call it, is needed, it needs to be fully expressed in its essence. One of the ways in which this is done in traditional Yoruba communities is to allow the elders of Ogun to make the offerings. In many Yoruba communities there is room for specialization. You can have a ceremony for Oya and when it comes time to make an offering of a goat, a priest of Ogun can be called in to make the cut. After that he might leave the ceremony.
To make this clear, we are speaking about what is commonly called “animal sacrifice.” The word “sacrifice” is a Christian term, the word in Yoruba is “ebo. ” Sacrifice does not translate to ebo. We do not sacrifice animals, that suggests that we kill them, and toss them. Be real clear that the concept of ebo is to provide a feast for the family or the community. When you live in an environment that depends on domesticated animals for food, the slaughtering of an animal is always a sacred act, just as hunting is always a sacred act.
In traditional Yoruba communities, the Ogun initiates slaughter domestic animals, and hunt those wild animals that are a part of the diet. They sometimes specialize, so not everyone necessarily does both. But both of those responsibilities are associated with the ase or power of Ogun. When you go through a rite of passage, or a personal transformation, it is the Ifá belief that the more people pray on your behalf, the more likely it will be that your prayers will be heard.
Think about it, lets say that you decide to give up drug addiction. If you whisper to your brother late at night that you’re going to give it up and that’s the only person you told, you could get away with slipping and sliding as long as you stayed away from your brother. But if you got on top of the Oakland City Hall with a bullhorn and said; “Now hear this, residents of Oakland I have given up drug addiction.” This would put more pressure on you to live up to that commitment.
In order to get a lot of people to know what you are up to, you feed them. On the day that you announce that you have made the commitment to move from being a child to an adult, you feed the community. After that feast, no one in the community will allow you to get away with childish behavior. Folks will say; “Wait a minute, we’ve been through this, get it together.” We slaughter a goat to announce to the community that this is the day that I commit to a particular type of transformation.
You are providing a feast in a ceremonial way. So why would you provide a feast in a ceremonial way? Related to the idea of reincarnation, when a priest of Ogun cuts off the head of a goat, he proceeds that gesture by saying may the spirit of this goat reincarnate as a goat to feed future generations. You are making an acknowledgement of the interconnected relationship between all things in Nature.
We believe that everyone, animals, trees, humans and rocks come to earth with a destiny that was agreed to before coming to earth. So it is our belief that a goat comes to earth with the destiny to provide food for the feast that marks a particular rite of passage. For this reason I want to thank the goat, I want to ask him to come back again, to celebrate the rites of passage of my children. You speak to animals to put yourself in the scheme of things, to be reminded that its not all about me. It is us as a community, it is us in relationship to the Forces in Nature. There is something at work here that is being made sacred in a special way.
It is not about the blood. The blood is the seal to that covenant. But there is a mistaken notion in this country that the more blood you use, the more the power. Wrong. In Africa they put the blood into the earth, or they might put it in a bowl. When the blood is placed in the earth it has regenerative value, like fertilizer. Then they take a feather and dip the feather into the blood and touch the blood to that which you are feeding. Now there are variations on this. But the point is that the notion that is common in this country that if you sacrifice one goat, two is better. That misses the point. The issue is feeding the community. The act of making a covenant with the Orisa only requires a small amount of blood. It is the sincerity of the ritual act that carries the power and not the quantity of blood. Sometimes blood is used as a form of medicine. Sometimes blood is placed on the body for medicinal purposes.
There is another aspect of offering an animal that I want to discuss. Based on the belief in reincarnation, animals pass into the realm of the ancestors. We pray directly to the animals so that our prayers may be taken by the animals into Orun. We believe that everything in the World has consciousness and that Spirit can communicate with all things.
We also have the idea of psychometry. If I touch your shoes I can tell where you have been during the day. Your prayer against the head of the animal transfers that message to Spirit.
When you make the offering you are dealing with the power of Ajala. This is the Yoruba word for “warrior.” We have Ogun in his warrior manifestation, which I have not spoken about yet. The hunters in traditional Yoruba culture are also the warriors. They are called Ajala which literally translates as “Dog of White Cloth.” The dog in Ifá is a messenger to Spirit like the Nimbus in Egyptian culture. It is not a derogatory reference. When you say that you are a dog of white light, you are saying that you are a messenger of ethical conduct. In the act of making ebo you become Ajala. You become the vehicle in which ethical conduct is incarnated.
White cloth is a reference to white light which is the principle that is at the foundation of the idea that everything is connected. Once you experience light in its primal manifestation you have a mystical experience that allows you to feel your connection with all things. Those who have experienced this state of being, tend to behave differently after the experience. It is no longer just a noble idea, it becomes a source of inspiration.
Ala is a reference to this mystical vision. When you are making the cut, you don’t want to get off on the idea. That is the wrong approach. You don’t want to be overly sympathetic towards the fate of the animal because that doesn’t work either. If you try to communicate with that animal, if you understand that it is the destiny of that animal to feed you and your family, there is no reason for undue sympathy or fear. When done properly the process of making ebo is emotionless.
The mystery of Ogun becomes finding the place that will open the portal for that truth. You must bring the divine nature of Ogun to the ritual process of making ebo. In Ajala there is an important connection to the idea of color symbolism. In Africa Ogun’s color is pure red. Then we have Sango whose colors are red and white. The color for Obatala is white. We can see a pattern emerging here. Red represents virility, vitality, ggression. Red and white represents balance between aggression and compassion. White represents the incarnation of mystical unity.
Should any of you be plagued with notions that these three Orisa are enemies, or that they don’t get along, know this is a common misconception. These Orisa represent a continuation of one cycle.
The difference between Ogun, Sango and Obatala is like the difference between rain water, fresh water and salt water. They are different at some point, but they bleed into each other. In some places in Nigeria Ogun and Sango are seen as loving brothers not enemies. You can see why. Sango is fire. What is fire in relationship to iron? Fire tempers iron and makes it stronger. That is not a hostile relationship. It is a symbiotic mutually beneficial relationship. As a Force in Nature it represents an important fusion of energy with no hostile implication.
Awo Fa’lokun Fatunmbi is a popular author of several excellent books which can be found at a bookstore near you or by contacting Original Publications. A great babalawo and willing teacher, He is also founder of the Awo Study Center in Oakland, CA. His works have done much to bring a greater depth of understanding to both curious novices and seasoned Orisa priests alike.
Loa possession in Haitian voodoo
An American military attaché and his wife who have spent several years in Haiti have written: “Haiti is a magic island, and the laughter of a thousand African gods echoes through her mornes.”21 These gods and their periodic possession of voodoo worshippers have fascinated anthropologists and tourists alike since the last century. Actually, voodoo should properly be defined as an ancestral worship cult. However, spirit or loa possession does play a very important part in voodoo. And this possession experience is, says Haitian psychiatrist Emerson Douyon, one of the things which Haitian society “valorizes.”22 The experience is not just for the voodoo priest (a male houngan or a female mambo) or to a bokor (a shaman or sorcerer loosely linked to voodoo practice), but it is for all adherents.
All kinds of explanations have been advanced for this phenomenon called loa possession. It has been regarded variously as a form of neurosis, as the fulfillment of a “need for self-transcendence, an attention getter, an opportunity to act out fantasies, a chance to shed responsibility, . . . mass hysteria, or masochism.”23 Kristos writes of hallucination or mass hypnosis as possible explanations and then says it could well be “the visitation of a supernatural being.”24
It thus is doubly important for any Christian working in Haiti to understand loa possession. First of all, because loa possession is one of the items which Haitian society valorizes. Secondly, one has to make a decision, however tentative it may be, as to what these gods are whose laughter echoes through the mountain valleys of that Caribbean island nation.
A. Parallels with Biblical demon possession
Dow argues that “there is correspondence between descriptions of present-day demonic phenomena . . . and the descriptions . . . in the New Testament.”25 Anthropologist Alan Tippett goes a step further, particularizing the parallel when he says: “Probably there is no better extant example of possession phenomena in the whole world than the form known as voodoo, especially the variety in Haiti.”26
What are some of the similarities or parallelisms which would lead scholars to make comparisons between what is described in the Bible as demon possession and modern day possession phenomena?
1. Exchange of personality
When a Haitian loa possesses a person, a markedly different personality seems to take control. “The possessed person behaves quite rationally,” says Sargant, “but in the way the loa would behave.”27 There are literally hundreds of loa, each with his or her own special voice, manners, facial expressions and physical attributes. Each loa even has his or her own “food and drink preferences, color and clothing preferences” to the extent that a possessed person may even change clothes after being possessed to conform more closely to the loa who has possessed him.28
When a loa possesses a person, other people in the immediate vicinity have no doubts in their mind as to the identity of the loa that has appeared. Later — hours or even occasionally days — when a possessed person returns to his normal personality, he or she will remember nothing of what transpired during the possession state. It is as though the person has truly been absent from his or her body while another being was using it.
While the Haitians do fear zombies and other kinds of spirit world creatures who appear from time to time, the loa apparently have no corporeal existence apart from the persons they are possessing. While paintings of Catholic saints are sometimes used in voodoo sanctuaries to represent some of the more well-known loas, these loas only appear when they have a human body to utilize.
2. Clairvoyance
While possessed, many of the Haitians exhibit mediumistic abilities. Anthropologists have documented cases of possessed persons knowing secrets to which, in normal life, they would not have had access. Haitian ethnologist Jean Price-Mars tells of possessed persons giving predictions and prophecies about the future.29
There are also some instances in which the loa recognize the higher authority of Jesus Christ, even as happened in New Testament times. Even given the peaceful co-existence that seems to exist between Roman Catholicism and voodoo, anthropologist Francis Huxley relates isolated instances in which loa prohibit people from going to church and forbid them to “hear the words of the Gospel.” 30
With Protestantism, of course, the antagonism is more pronounced. Nazarene missionary Paul Orjala tells of loas who “speak directly to the Christian through the person possessed and argue their right to do their work.” 31 Haitian anthropologist Jacque Romain notes if a person becomes a born-again believer, there is irreconcilable conflict between a person and his patron-loa.
The powers which the loa or spirits give to their “horses” were explained to Oberlin college professor George Simpson by at least one voodoo priest as due to the fact that “the loas are fallen angels.”33 That, of course, is the same explanation which many conservative biblical scholars give for demons.
3. Unusual strength
The ability of possessed persons to physically do things not ordinarily possible for them seems even more prevalent in Haitian loa possession than it was in the cases of demon possession recorded in the Bible. Jeremie Breda mentions “an old man (who) climbs a tree like a monkey” while possessed and “a girl (who) handles a red hot iron without feeling pain.”34 Anthropologist Melville Herskovits writes of the extraordinary bodily strength he had witnessed in possessed persons.35 Harold Courlander, anthropologist and folklorist, joins other writers in recounting stories of certain loa who cause their “horses” to eat glass or broken razor blades without causing any injuries and of other Haitians who plunge their arms into boiling oil while possessed without suffering any after effects.36
It is this characteristic of unusual physical ability which calls into serious question any explanation of loa possession as mere role enactment. Some characteristics of loa possession could be easily simulated if role playing was all that was involved. However, the super-normal strength and abilities like those described in anthropological studies would seem difficult, if not impossible, to simulate in a merely theatrical performance.
4. Moral impurity
Simpson has noted that in normal, everyday life, there is “considerable sexual modesty among the peasants.”37 The picture changes radically during possession experiences. Huxley writes of the “sexual megalomania” which seems to characterize many possessions.38 Possessed persons often have to be restrained from taking off their clothes to go naked. Courlander writes of the contempt for proprieties and of the lascivious and lurid behavior and speech of some of the loas.39 Behavior which would be quite unacceptable to the community and even to the possessed person himself is excused because the loa — not the person being possessed — is responsible for such behavior and speech.
5. Seizures and convulsions
Almost without exception, the beginnings of a loa possession are marked by “trembling, by a kind of frenzy without controls or direction. (The person being possessed) may stagger, fall, and go into convulsions.”40 This seizure gradually wears off and the personality of the individual loa begins to appear. Finally, the person seems normal, except that he or she has completely switched personalities, including perhaps sex.
Sometimes possessed persons also exhibit self-destructive tendencies. “Loa will cause their ‘horses’ to rub hot pepper into their eyes. Still others will compel possessed persons to cut themselves with machetes.”41 At times possessed persons have to be restrained from throwing themselves into deep water.
6. Physical illness
Loa possessions in Haiti are almost always episodic with many of them coming during religious ceremonies (even those in the Roman Catholic church!). Physical illnesses do not accompany this type of possession. However, Frederick Conway of San Diego State University says, “When they are angry, the loa are believed to express their displeasure most frequently by making a family member ill.” 42 Gerald Murray, University of Florida professor, notes that Haitians believe that causing illness is a principal activity of the loa. The peasants do, however, differentiate between “spirit-caused illness (maladi loa) as opposed to naturally caused illness,”43 a distinction also made in the New Testament.
7. Socioeconomic factor
Loa possession occurs most often among the rural subsistence farming population and its members who may have emigrated into the cities. As in Biblical Palestine, the incidence of possession is lower in the cities and particularly among the well-educated sector of the population. The Haitian elite have even made some unsuccessful attempts to stamp out voodoo and for a long time refused to even grant it the status of a folk religion.
8. Voluntary versus involuntary
While not actively sought after, loa possession in Haitian is very much welcomed. This is not true in most of the possession cases in the New Testament. There does not, however, seem to be attempts on the part of the Haitians to work themselves into a state of possession. Occasionally a tourist, or even an anthropologist who has gone to watch a voodoo ceremony, will be possessed without his or her having willed the possession. Huxley relates the story of a young Haitian Protestant who had gone to witness a voodoo ceremony, “and despite all he could do, had been possessed.”44 Sometimes, during a certain period, a voodoo worshipper may wish to not be possessed. The worshipper may even take certain countermeasures against being possessed. These precautions are not always successful, and the worshipper will sometimes be possessed against his or her will.
9. Deliverance and transference
Upon conversion, Protestants normally are freed from further loa possession experiences. In fact, Tippett says that “the type of Protestantism most successful in Haiti is the form most hostile to voodoo, because it comes into encounter with it on a meaningful level.”45 The freedom that born-again believers have from possession is recognized in Haitian society. Former missionary Orjala notes that Nazarene pastors in Haiti are continually being called upon to cast out the loa.46 This deliverance, when it occurs, seems to be instantaneous even as is the deliverances recounted in New Testament documents.
The Roman Catholics, on the other hand, lacking an emphasis on a life-changing born-again experience, have been fighting a losing battle with syncretism. Today, most voodoo worshippers also consider themselves to be Roman Catholic. [ for an example of syncretism in Mexico, see the video “Celebrating the Day of the Dead” ]
When a voodoo worshipper dies, a type of transference ceremony is held in which a voodoo priest removes the “talent” of the one that had been possessed and transfers to someone else by a voodoo priest.47
B. Unique Features of Loa Possession
Some aspects or features of Haitian loa possession are absent from the accounts of demon possession recorded in Scripture. These include:
1. Part of a religion
Loa possession is a recognized feature of voodoo, the Haitian peasant religion. “Peasants welcome the (possession) experience and express neither surprise nor fear” when it occurs.48 None of the instances reported in Scripture appear to be an integral part of the religious practices of a group of people. In Haitian voodoo, moreover, everyone actually has a loa-patron, whether or not he has even been possessed. There is no record in the New Testament of such a belief or practice as regards demons.
Wow… Met, God bless yuh fi ah poss dem sumin. Knowledge is indeed power. I never know all deese tings. Please keep posting dem.
God of Grace and Met, where are you guys? It look like y’all trying to mash up my life. It’s raining and mi, choo
mi deh yereeeeeeeeeee
MANUSHKA I’m here my love I think we got caught in this same heavy rain storm.. I was driving through some pools with zero visibility.. I’M HERE AND READY MY LOVE.. R U READY MET AND METTERS? LET’S GO
I is ere…someone said in the other post like dem initiate ina di african religion ….mi would like hear dem views pan it
MANUSHKA I’m here my love I think we got caught in this same heavy rain storm.. I was driving through some pools with zero visibility.. I’M HERE AND READY MY LOVE.. R U READY MET AND METTERS? LET’S GO .. No love would never even think of mashing up your life
MANUSHKA I’m here my love I think we got caught in this same heavy rain storm.. I was driving through some pools with zero visibility.. I’M HERE AND READY MY LOVE.. R U READY MET AND METTERS? LET’S GO .. No love would never even think of mashing up your life.
your comments when to spam i is ere
Here waiting fi the knowledge
CHUET
Knowledge is power. Met u know from i readup about the Ifa tradition (caz they don’t call it religion) thats when me say man must not perform oral sex pon women. Me jus feel like there is a strong spiritual correlation between the womb and a man dung there. I might be wrong but i feel like it shift a man’s honor. I find it easier to accept a woman going down on a man. I hope Obara come shed some light fi me
But u know African man go down serious pan woman
Fashiondoll I remember Obara saying that men should not go down on women can’t remember y hope she will come to share
CHUET
Met lol whey u say di African dem vicious wit da thing den lmaooooo ooo woooooiieee
dem will eat it like a real plate a food
If they are really initiated into the mysteries of the occult Met certain things HAVE to remain secret.. I can tell u though based on what I have seen and people that I have been close to,they seem to be able to glide through life a little easier especially if they are obedient and respectful to their orishas, loas and demon friends.. Everyone seems to be shocked about the occult world but America was built on the occult.. Most of the presidents and people in high positions in this country also the Rothschild, and the Kennedys, Rockefellers they are all freemasonry and members of the secret orders.. LOOK AT UR MONEY U SEE THE EYE OF HORUS, PYRAMID AND MOST GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS IN WASHINGTON HAVE THE HEXAGRAM SEAL ON THEM. THE WHITE HOUSE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS IN WASHINGTON R MAPPED OUT INTO A HEXAGRAM MEANING IF U DRAW A LINE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA IT FORMS A HEXAGRAM.. I WISH I COULD UPLOAD A PICTURE TO U MET..
The implement use to stab is metal which belongs to Ogun. The building that is a perfect hex…is the Pentagon.
Obara O…come yah O.
I was watching the other thread. LMAO. I’m exhausted so excuse me
Met I know your on Ogun but let me share this. Awhile ago I was reading up on the orishas. The author states Fidel Castro envokes Chango and that is why he has been in power for so long. He says notice any official meetings or interview he has he is smoking a cigar is which is synonymous with Chango.
I think castro’s orisha is oshun eno but u can get help from other orishas..Castro has always done his sacrifices and dem seh big sacrifice to elephant and lion
And him pay homage to Africa u see as Ebola seh i him seh Im there…Him respect him ancestors …dem seh when him and batista show down he took to the hills for some time…when him return the war was his.
Chango is the guardian angel for Cuba in general..but Cuba is a place whey keep up pan tradition…all when we think dem suffer nuff they are ten times better off than Jamaica
With how Jamaicans vicious pan di bloodshed I believe a di same Ogun a dem main guardian..I never see a set a people love stab like Jamaicans..dem love blood and believe ina di power of blood
They say yemaya is my mother and her sister fights with her to see who will win me over, but they both loves me
Lukimi people tell u dat Manushka? Mi did think it haffi be one main guardian…Obatala tell mi him is always in my corner /Oshun/Olokun/ Shango tell mi him do something on my behalf /Eshu come to mi tuh but it haffi be one main one a suh mi think..These Orisha I met in dream and its not like I am in the religion..Whey day mi dream a lady in a nice yellow dress selling in a lane..she called me over as a customer n put pumpkin seed/ cow peas and a small orange in my hand and tell mi she a charge mi $11..when mi ask her y so much for the pumpkin seeds she say she pay $18 for it and keeping piece fi harself so mi get a good deal. When I woke up and study di dream good I realized it was Oshun
If mi never know who Oshun was that dream would have been very vague to me so I am always reading about every little thing
I agree with God of Grace becuz I remember when Obama was running for president my nursing supervisor said to me he can’t see him winning becuz he is not a mason. Of course my supervisor was.
Dem have so much lodge and lodge dem doe know who is who..America’s very foundation is built on free masonry so him haffi be ina it…your supervisor ranking mussy low so dem nuh know di real who is who
G.O.G see if u can dip a little into Palo fi mi…I found out my neighbor is into it…ah not sure if him is a Palero because I dont want to ask without him telling
His mother is a spell caster and me and him supposed to have a sit down but I velly velly afraid since mi go see di tings dem :hammer…….People knowledge is power oo and thank God mi have a few people can ask what is what..
Met have you ever been into a botanica? Any botanica you go into they have a pot of things made from sitting right bt the front door.Which yhey say Ogun is guarding the entry.
I have visited many bontanicas to buy dried herbs, frankinsense etc…Went to a lovely one in Florida the other day that was kind of different than what I am used to seeing. Most of them have some leaves at the door mi figet whey di leaves name
The santero told me, Met. This is fairly new to me. I was a Rasta, black panther, a member of the nation of Islam and 5 percenter. I’m Siddhartha just hoping to find my way and find truth
Why u come outa dat manushka? With your gift I think meditation and fasting will bring a lot of things to u…Manuska that gift u have is to help people u know…some people not supposed to sit and help people every day but I believe with yours its possible.
It’s the lies, Met.
Which lies Manushka?
MET ur going to meet with someone from the PALO MAYOMBE religion u have to know that this is the dark side of the religion..My godfather does this and its very similar to Haitian voodoo. LUCERO is one of the major figures in that religion..Do not be scared when u meet him Met..If u don’t want him to read u cross ur legs or ur hands they wont be able to see anything. BE MINDFUL THAT HE DOESN’T PUT A GLASS OF WATER UNDER UR CHAIR BECAUSE HE MIGHT SEE U WITH A GOOD SPIRIT AND HE WANTS IT FOR HIMSELF. .DO not let anyone tell u otherwise. Remember I told u..U will see PRENDA at the doorway which is a 3 legged black pot that has sticks maybe blood and shells or maybe a basket PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH IT..ITS VERY BAD..Most PRENDAS HAVE HUMAN BODY PARTS..I will not go any further with this topic..In the future Met u shouldn’t repeat ur dreams especially so publicly that was a great dream from Oshun..Oshun prefers men more than women and that was a gift she was giving u..MANUSHKA if a babalowa told u that u have OSHUN and her sister YEMOJA/YEMAYA both love u ur going to have a lot of problems. U might have to marry them both on the same day because they are extremely jealous of each other what u do for one u have to do for the other..
Mi nuh ina no reading ting wid him oooooooooooo mi jus waa mek sure seh when we speak him nuh try no tricks because he never said anything to me about that…but di place very dark..It rough in this world because u dont know who is who living amongst u..In regards to the dream at first I didnt know about it too much and was puzzled and I found out that the pumpkin and orange is her thing but next time I will know what is what and wont say nothing..
Yuh know mi nah go sit down wid him noh sor mi nuh haaayble
Di place very dark and scary and what is strange is that he is always smiley…………him ting deep mi nah go no further cause him have hundred year old things still maintaining in his place
Met I don’t think speaking to him or anyone is a bad thing because when the spirits want to get ur attention especially when they like u or love u there is absolutely NOTHING u can do..There is absolutely nothing to be scared of when it comes to the spirit world..Its very beautiful actually and u feel safe knowing ur never alone..Email me if u feel like speaking about things like this privately because this forum is not the place to discuss ur personal dreams etc..Most people are just naturally envious and they will pray against anything positive for u..
G.O.G morning mi hear yuh but mi jus doe waa talk to him more than the basic good morning or good evening …
Me seh If me love Met site one more time esi! :kiss Two weeks ago mi dream and see the word obatala spread out pon a beautiful gift. Me start read up and realize who is this orisha. As u seh Met, our ancestors are visiting us and I believe they wanna communicate. God of grace and more knowledgeable people I salute you for sharing :2thumbup
FASHIONDOLL ur most welcome love..
Not true……Osun and Yemoja are not rivals at all. Yemoja…..not Yemaya…this is a corrupted version of her name….Yeye (mother) Omo (child) Oja (fishes) her name means mother whose children are fishes. Osun meAans source, as she is the sweet water humans drink and need. Yemoja is also River in Nigeria, but is venerated in the Diaspora at the ocean. These are not saints but aspects of nature and are kept pure by us In Nigeria, never sychronized with any Christians saints as in Lucumi. It is understandable why they did it, and it was to preserve it, but slaveryhas been over and they still have kept the bastardized version of it.
Orishas are not spirits, as this implies humans who are now venerated as deities, this is simply not true. they did walk the earth at some time,but this was to teach humans how to live, after which they went back to nature.
@met, Ogun (the green in the flag)is indeed the diety who rules Jamaica, as is Osun (the yellow in the flag)and. The ancestors, ( the black in the flag)I wrote this post on my blog, it was titled the spirituality of Jamaica.
Osun is for family, she gives children to barren women and puts family together. She is for love, she is fun loving and creative, hence Jamaica/ns creativity and popularity and why no matter if we bad, de world love we. She is never a flirt or a prostitute, this is Lucumi story, Africans reject this! it is not so.
Yemoja is loving,but quite strict, she also blesses the barren with children antis enervated as a river diety in Nigeria as is Oba and Erinlewho isn’t a masculine diety.
Ogun is God of Iron, steel and war. He is also lord of technology, the computer, television and all. He is a very important deity. His children are, mechanic, p,u bears, surgeons, computer techs, and more.
All Orishas are benevolent, it is human beings who will try to give them their taboos and get them upset. This tradition teaches Iwa pele, and there s no trinity in our Afrocan tradition, no father, so and Holy Spirit .
Lucumi may use our names to call their saints and may use Yoruba words to pray with, but their practice is not ours, it simply is not.
I am an initiate to Osun, this was done in Ojo Lagos Nigeria, and my itefa (ifa initiation, where I received four hands) of ifa was done in Abeokuta Nigeria many years ago. I am an oloorisha and an Iyanifa and a titled Chief. I write the following to authenticate that I have the right to speak of these things asi am a practitioner of this tradition which is called by us Africans Isese (e-shay shay) which means TRADITION IS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING
ABORU ABOYE !
OBARA Im not talking about Osun the messenger for Obatala and Olofi..Im talking about Oshun/Ochun sister to Yemoja/Yemaya..Of course they are jealous of each other like sisters they have their rivalry..In Haitian voodoo they r Ezili Dantor and Ezili Freda and my husband is married to both so I have a clue.I have never been to Nigeria but some family friends have gone to get their initiation done..That has been ur experience with them Im talking about ours..Orishas , loas are very jealous and if u do for one u have to do for all..RESPECT TO U OBARA ITS ALL LOVE ..I spell the name as Yemaya because thats how my Cuban friends/family/sisters/brothers pronounce and spell it..My mother is Yemoja/Yemaya. I will end it here..
Obara if we are all praying to same dieties y do u have this US AGAINST THEM mentality..LUCUMI MAY USE OUR NAMES TO CALL THEIR SAINTS BUT THEIR PRACTICE IS NOT OURS WHHAATT..So because Lucumi do things a different way that means the way they worship is inferior to the Nigerians way of doing things..IF U R A CHIEF AND THIS IS THE WAY U LOOK DOWN ON OTHER PRACTITIONERS OF THE RELIGION U R LOST..Do u realize that Africa is the way it is because of people like you because there is no unity whatsoever..They r different paths to get to god not 1 path.THERE R THOUSAND S OF RELIGIONS, TRADITIONS AND IF U PRAY WITH A SINCERE MIND AND A PURE HEART UR PRAYERS WILL ANSWERED..Thats Y THOSE CUBANS R ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL THEY EMBRACE U ONCE UR WILLING TO LEARN ITS NOT JAMAICANS AGAINST CUBANS WE R ALL CONSIDERED GOD-CHILDREN OF OUR GODFATHER OR GODMOTHER. .I’M SO DISGUSTED BY U OBARA AND I AM DONE SPEAKING TO U ABOUT IT..MY EXPERIENCE IS MY EXPERIENCE AND UR NOT GOING TO BULLY ME TO CHANGE IT..FOOLISHNESS.
:cd How come you turn LEFT so quickly? No place in Obara posting did she attack you, so your attack is rather disgusting and far from how you were in your earlier postings. She simply stating the facts regarding the traditional practices here in the Western hemisphere vs that of it’s origin- AFRICA.
There is really a Us vs dem in tradition. When I knew I had to answer to the spirits I researched, went to a haitian place and the woman made me feel smaller than an ant, by telling me to go and let a Jamaican train me, for I’m not haitian! That bitch didn’t know who hold my head and the humiliation and anger I called upon did me justice, it didn’t take long before her business close down. My Padrino do works but the one thing he hates the most is to clear OBEAH.
In short, there was no need to attack Obara.
LMAO.DWL…. What ah kakafaut. Tee hee. Mi almost pop up when mi read the last comment.lol
@God Of Grace, I have never bullied anyone in my life nor have I have I ever come here to this platform and disrespect anyone since 2011 since I began blogging here.Search the archives of Jmg for my name.
In my comments you will not find any Caps or exclamation points indicating that I am/was upset when I wrote my comment, and i certainly did not single YOU out when I commented. I saw something written and commented to corrected.
I WILL WRITE CAPS NOW, BECAUSE I MUST POINT THIS OUT!
WHEN I WROTE “US” INDICATING AFRICA AND US AFRICANS, IT IS TO MAKE THOSE WHO MAY READ THIS KNOW THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRACTICE OF LUCUMI AND ISESE (US, AFRICANS, THE Yorubas and our Tradiation Partice of Ifa/ Orisha). THROUGHOUT TIME AFRICA HAVE BEEN ROBBED OF HER BIRTH RIGHTS AND RAPED OF HER LEGACY AND WHILE IT IS NICE THAT THE CUBANS HAVE BEEN GREAT CUSTODIANS OF OUR TRADITION AND HAD TO SYNCHRONIZE THEIR CATHOLIC SAINTS WITH THE ORISHAS OF YHE YORUBA PEOPLE OF SOUTH WEATERN NIGERIA, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO WORSHIP, THEY HAVE REFUSEd TO CORRECT IT AND THEREFORE HAVE FORMED THEIR OWN BRAND OF PRACTICE WHICH DOES NOT REFLECT OURS.
IN AFRICA A PERSON’S NAME HAS A MEANING AND ALL OUR DIETS NAAMES HAVE THEIR MEANINGS, SO YES IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME OBARA MEJI TO SHOW THE CORRECTION. I AM IN NO COMPETITION FOR ANYONE WHO HAS GOOGLE HAS A PROFESSOR IN THE TRADITION THAT I PRACTICE DAILY WHICH MAKES IT A WAY OF LIFE FOR ME.I @MET WHEN I ADDRESSED HER, I AM NO STRANGER HERE AND SHE IS A FRIEND. YOU HAVE COMMENTTED MANY THINGS HERE THAT ARE FALSE, I READ THEM AND SMILED TO MY SELF, BECAUSE I DO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE READ AND BELIEVE.YOUR LAST COMMENT THAT “YUH DONE TALK TO ME, FOOLISHNESS” CAN YOU
POINT OUT WHEY YUH SEE MI ADDRESS YUH IN THIS POST, IF YOU SAY YES TO THE COMMENT, IT WAS IT I CORRECTED AND MOVED ON TO WRITE MY PEICE.
THIS HAS BEEN DONE HERE ALL THE TIME, PEOPLE SEY DEM PIECE AND KEEP IT MOVING, WHY YUH TEK ME ON, ONLY YEYE OSUN KNOWS.
ACCEPT SOME KNOWLEDGE, AND READ, READ, READ AGAIN BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK FROM ME, BUT YOU ATTACK ME!
BULLY?? PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT WORD,AND THEN JUXTAPOSE IT WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND MY OWN, AND I CERTAINLY NEVER ADRESSES YOU! . UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD NOBODY CANNOT BULLY ME, TEK ME ON AND TELLI FI GUH SUCK MI FINGA AND SIDDUNG INNA A CAWNA! PLEASE DO NOT MISTAKE ME FOR YOU, WHERE I HAVE SEEN YOU GO AFTER PEOPLE AND IT WAS UNWARRANTED, YET I MINDED OWN BUSINESS.
I WILL ALWAYS COME AND COMMENT AND CORRECT WHENEVER I SEE FOOLISHNESS BEING WRITTEN ON TOPICS I KNOW OF, THAT IS WHO I AM AND WILL FOREVER OR IF A BLOGGWR ASKS ME A QUESTION AS MOST ARE QUITE FAMIAR WITH ME HERE.MET DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME AND I CARE ZERO WHO DOES.
BY THE WAY,IF YUH COME AND CUSS AND DISRESPECT AFTER READING THIS, IS YOU ALONE LADY. CAWS FROM TODAY MI OBARA MEJI NUH SI YOU. MI NAH GUH INNA NO VERBAL VOLLEY BALL WID YOU, WORSE MI REALISE SEY YOU ARE NO ONE I CAN LEARN FROM, AND ALTHOUGH I HAVE KNOWLEDGE,I AM FOREVER A STUDENT AND THIRST FOR THOSE WHO CAN I IMPART SOME ON ME,AFTERALL I AM BUT A SMALL CHILD WALKING MY WAY THOUGH LIFE. I HUMBLE RESPECT ALL ELDERS.
GOOD MORNING MET
Morning..mi a go read now and come back brb
OBARA I said what I said and I ‘m done..Phantom Phoenix that is your experience with the Haitians not mine so I cannot speak on it..In anything I have never had an US against THEM mentality not in this life..I’m a person that speaks ON MY experiences and I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK ON MY EXPERIENCES and DEFEND MYSELF..Thanks
G.O.G but mi read whey Obara seh she never seh anything that was offensive to you..Topics like this educate not only us that are typing, many who are reading and need spiritual guidance..If you have a another point of view or disagree fine but nuh mek the topic swing left at all..mek we dus talk das all
We must speak to share, we must speak to educate, we must speak to encourage and uplift. Obara never offended anyone at all..I have a lot more to ask and there are people who want to come and speak but fraid…things like this keep them far..Whatever religion u choose as your way or worship it is good to know about foundation..Whatever READER man uno choose to go…uno must know what is what and mi seh reader man openly because a lot of people going and fraid fi seh dem going..and dem life end up ina hell.Look how mi nearly reach n drop ina Palero pot …although a never reading but a mi neighbor…I am ten times wiser now
Met I got offended because it seemed like an US against Them type thing.I apologize if thats not what she meant. Religion is very divisive and thats y I don’t usually get involved in it..Its just that I have seen and heard the comments of Africans vs Cubans thats y I’m sensitive to it..Ive heard it here in Florida. All is well Met and Im done talking about the spat..I write in CAPS but thats how I write. It drives my boys crazy I dont do it because Im angry the letters r just bigger to see and easier to read lol..
Alright…cause we need fi go on and on and on…I want to know about Mama Chulo ..thats who I saw and mi waa know di rest
Plenty typing errors, damn auto correct, but I know you get the point. Morning Met, PP, Fashiondoll, Chuet, sketell bam, Foxy, and all……too many names….love and light!
I believe half of what I hear, half of what I see, and half of what I read. Conduct your own research
true because people twist the truth sometimes
GM Metters… This post definately opened my eyes to what has been happening to me over the years. I have some kind of gift like you Met and things come to me in my dreams before they happen. I’ve never dug into why this was happening but this post was a eye opener to me. Only my close friends and family know this but, 3 days before my ex died. I jumped out of a dream and was forced to call him by some higher power/being. I was living in New York and he had returned to Jamaica (by his free will). We had a 20min conversation on the phone and the conversation went like a kind of warning. It was rather odd because we had stopped dating but still maintained communication. As a matter of fact his woman was laying right next to him in the bed as we spoke. The day when he died, a friend called me at work, frightened and alarmed with the news of his death and the triple murder in Jamaica. It’s been 14 years since his death and I still don’t have any answers as to what is this gift I have.